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quote:
Statement
by IHAD regarding the current situation
of the Gemini 4.3.1 release


Introduction:
Cause of our re-opening,we the IHAD Team,are now giving a statement regarding the events that took place in the last days.
Hopefully we can answer a few questions to our regular users
and work a little against the criticism from others.
Regarding the propaganda of some other Sat Boards,we will make a statement in the future as well.

How the drivers became part of the image:
After we started our Blue Panel lock which worked quite ok up to 2-3 days after the start,a work-around patch became public that made it pretty much obsolete.
After this event,DMM offered us exclusivly, a new driver for the DM500 that should become part of the CVS shortly after.
This driver should make it possible to display jpeg files,with the DM500.

We the Team,did put 1 and 1 together and thought,that this new driver might have something in it to help DMM protect their rights.
So we assumed that this new driver might have some kind of clone detection.

Nevertheless a test on a Blackbox,which took place,couldn't confirm this assumtion.
The Blackbox was working without any problems in our tests.
And honestly:Why shouldn't we use a driver that without any doubt brought many improvments for the users of the DM500.
We also decided to keep on using this driver in our DM500 images.
This has to reasons...
First:Why should regular DM500 users be punished by not getting improvements for their box.
Second:Anyone who now still puts the gemini image on their Blackbox Reciever,simply should have known better.


What has happend:
On the 27th of march 2008 the Gemini 4.3.1 DM500 including the new drivers was released by us.
Since that time the so called "Time Bomb" was active and at some point started to delete the boot loader of the Clone boxes that used the image.
An announcement was displayed that said:"Warning - clone box detected -system stop. Contact your dealer - adios amigo!"
Afterwards the box shut down and didn't boot anymore.
Deleted was the part that is necessary to boot software on the box,this part was under license of DreamMultimedia.
This license includes that this part of the sofware can only be used for the Dreambox STB.
Usage on other hardware is completly prohibited and therefor illegal!
The problem is,that the deleted part is the,so to speak,bios.Similiar to the bios of a PC and without this bios the box won't boot.
The weired thing about all this is,that these cloneboxes,had this DMM software pre-installed,some of them even had the Gemini image pre-installed on it.
Which meant a DMM license violation right from the beginning.
So it must be completly logical to everyone,that DMM(the rightful owner of this software) had to start countermessures at some point.
We the IHAD Board and Gemini Team support this action,that was taken by DMM,but were also supprised by the harshness of the action.
Cause as it seems the box can only be "resurected" with a hardware based operation(JTAG) that writes the booloader back to the chip.
Which brings us right back to the license problem,cause there is no alternative,free software/bootloader made available by the manufactor of the cloneboxs for these kind of STBs.
So it basically would be illegal too,to write the DMM software back to the chip of the unlicend STB.


Why we decided to close the board:
Over the last couple of days many users have registered at IHAD,that were affected by the "Time Bomb" and their insults and acusations knew no boundaries.
And as we,after 2 days,didn't see and end to all this ,we decided to close the board.
We just couldn't accept this kind of treatment towards us,cause we have no responsebility whatsoever,regarding the actions that were taken by DMM.
They were the only ones that had knowledge about the countermessures that were taken.
Nevertheless,we do take general responsebility for actively working against these clones.Which we already stated on several occasions in the past.
We are all Dreambox fans and our hobby is made possible by the products developed and sold by DreamMultimedia and we would practically work against ourselfs,if we wouldn't act against these cloned STBs.
It simply can not be in our interest that manufactors, that are not involved in the developing process,take profits from the real developers.
The posting of real adresses of IHAD Team members and statements like:"I would like to pet their backs with my baseball bat."
and such, simply were beyond all manners.
And so we closed the doors of the IHAD board.

How you can support us:
Support the IHAD and fight against clones.
Use these pictures as avatars and/or signature on all boards that you are registered.
Show your support for the IHAD and express your opinion about clones.




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If you have come to conclusion how to fix corrupted boxes that would have meant improvement for 1 500 current viewers

satelitski forum has come with solution how to repair it, and that announcement is what interests most of users now

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If you have come to conclusion how to fix corrupted boxes that would have meant improvement for 1 500 current viewers

satelitski forum has come with solution how to repair it, and that announcement is what interests most of users now


It's easy to write new firmware in the flashs.
But there is no firmware/bootloader which is allowed to use in cloned boxes.

This means: There is no possibility to reflash clones... and really, there's no need do to such a stupid thing, because clones are dump, nothing worthy to repair.
Perhaps the people selling clones write own drivers and bootloaders for their boxes? This would be legal to use... But, thanks god, this will not happen smile

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Avis sur la dernière Gemini 4.3.1 pour la DM500

Francais:

quote:
Avis
d'IHAD sur les evenement actuel
autour de The Gemini Project 4.3.1

http://www.i-have-a-dreambox.com

Introduction
En raison de notre réouverture, l'équipe IHAD tient à donner une déclaration sur les faits de ces derniers jours. Nous faisons ceci en même temps que la réouverture d’IHAD. J'espère que grâce a ceci nous pouvons donner à nos utilisateurs ordinaires des réponses, et de contre-attaquer nos 'critiques'
En l’occurrence les SAT Forum dans la communauté Dreambox et leurs action de propagande que nous aborderons a une date ultérieure.


Comment les pilotes sont parvenus dans l’image

Après que nous ayons intégré notre verrouillage Blue Panel et qui 2-3 jours après la sortie se révélais de fonctionner de manière satisfaisante mais qu’ensuite un patch pour contourner la barrière était disponible, nous avons reçu en exclusivité de DMM un nouveau pilote compiler pour la 500 qui ensuite fut intégré dans le CVS. Celui-ci devait contenir une nouvelle fonction à laquelle il serait possible d'afficher des images JPG.

Nous comme Team, sachant combien font 1+1, nous avons déjà pensé que peut-être nous l’avions reçus que parce quelque chose pourrait y être intégré en ce qui concerne les droit des pilotes de DMM. Donc nous avons suspecté de la part de DMM éventuellement qu’une fonction de détection des clones eu été installée.

Un essai sur une BlackBox ne pouvait confirmer cette hypothèse, car elle fonctionnait comme auparavant sans problèmes. Et honnêtement: Pourquoi ne devrions nous pas installer un pilote qui sans aucun doute offre de nombreux avantages pour les propriétaires DM500?
Nous avons aussi décidé de continuer a utilisé ce pilote dans notre image du DM500. Il ya 2 raisons qui pousse à le faire. Premièrement, pourquoi devrions "punir" les utilisateurs légitime de DM500 sur les améliorations du pilote, et deuxièmement, celui qui utiliserais Gemini sur un clone ou une BlackBox ne peuvent vraiment plus être aidé.

Que s’est il passée
Le 27.02.2008, nous avons publié The Gemini Project 4.3.1 DM500 y compris les nouveaux pilotes. Depuis cette semaine, survient alors l'entrée en vigueur de ce que l'on appelle la «Time Bomb», et met hors fonction toute les fausses Dreambox. Il apparaît alors un message „Warning – clone box detected - system stop. Contact your dealer – adios amigo!“. Ensuite, ces récepteurs ne peuvent démarrer. Il a été exclusivement supprimé la partie des logiciels sous licence DMM nécessaires au fonctionnement des Dreambox. Cette licence limite l'utilisation du logiciel libre exclusivement sur Dreambox. Une autre utilisation sur un autre matériel n'est donc pas recevable, et donc (comme on dit de plus en plus volontiers) illégale. Le problème est que la partie supprimée, en comparatif, est celle du BIOS d'un PC. Et sans un BIOS fonctionnelle les clones ne peuvent démarrer.
Le curieux de l'affaire est que les récepteurs clonés actuel ont été livrés d'emblé avec ce logiciel DMM, et en partie flasher aussi avec l’image Gemini. Donc a priori, avec une violation de licence départ usine. Et c'est en toute logique, que tôt ou tard, le fabricant de ce logiciel propriétaire étai tenu de prendre des mesures concrètes pour mette quelque chose en œuvre. Nous, en tant que Team d’IHAD et Gemini, d’adhéré par principe à l'action de DMM. Mais nous avons été aussi étonnés par la dureté des moyens utilisés. En effet, comme on peut le voir, les récepteurs touché ne peuvent être remis en marche qu'avec une intervention dans matériel pour rétablir la de la fonction de la puce. Mais, la encore la question de la licence reparait. En effet, il n’existe actuellement aucune alternative au logiciel de DMM de logiciels mis à disposition par le fabricant de clone pour le BIOS. Donc, il s'agit d'une infraction si l'on tente de ramener à la vie un récepteur ‘éteint’ avec le logiciel DMM.

Pourquoi a on fermé le site
Au cours de la semaine se sont multipliés les enregistrements d’utilisateurs en raison de leurs récepteurs verrouillé par «Time Bomb» et dont les insultes et injures connaissaient pas de Limite. Et après 2 jours ne voyant toujours pas la fin du flot de ces messages sur notre forum, nous l’avons déconnecté. Nous ne pouvons pas accepter ce type de messages cette affaire.

Nous n’avons aucune responsabilité sur l'ampleur de cette action. En effet, seule DMM avait la connaissance des faits et cela ne doit y être jugé que chez eux. Nous prenons la seul responsabilité fondamentale de mis en œuvre pour une chose "citation: des fonctions cachés similaires des virus " à l'encontre de clones. Et c’est ce que nous avons souvent exprimé dans le passée. En effet, nous sommes tous les fans de la Dreambox, notre hobby est composé de matériel de cette compagnie, et nous mètrerions nous-mêmes en périls, si rien ne serait entrepris. Il ne pas être dans notre intérêt de financé des fabricants qui ne participe pas aux développements en faisant diminuer chiffre d'affaires des véritables fabriquant

Le poste d'adresses des membres du Team et citations comme «Ma batte de base-ball pourrait bien un jours caresser le dos des membres du Team» étaient à la limite du bon goût et nous avons à ce moment fermé nos portes avec la référence vers DMM

Comment pouvez-vous nous soutenir
Soutenez IHAD et va à l'encontre des clones!
Utilisez ces photos comme Avatar ou signature dans les forums dans lesquels vous surfer. Affichez le pavillon d’IHAD et indiquez ainsi votre opinion sur les clones!

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Les autres formats d'image sont également accessibles sous ce lien http://www.i-have-a-dreambox.com/klon/ . Tout autres possibilités son accessible sous Unterstützt das IHAD und geht gegen Klone vor! .
Si vous avez vos propres projets, vous pouvez nous les envoyer par PM.


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I'm the owner of original DM500s and I believe one of many how doesn't support this action.
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may I ask you, why you are still here, when you think the IHAD team members are clowns??

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annoucement could fit into a few words...

gemi team is paid by dreammultimedia, even birds sing it
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quote:
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annoucement could fit into a few words...

gemi team is paid by dreammultimedia, even birds sing it


And you're the emperor of China... no bird will deny this!

AC
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never had clone, but for clones its too complicated to understand
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I hade clone it is the same like original.
Know a have 7020 original..
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what happened was a massacre. you killed many devices with cold blood.

i'm going to make a new website:

i-have-a-clonebox.com

and we all will support clones.

clones are much better and yet cheaper.

note:

i dont care if you ban me.


Adios Amigo

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http://i-have-a-clonebox.com/ großes Grinsen

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what happened was a massacre. you killed many devices with cold blood.

i'm going to make a new website:

i-have-a-clonebox.com

and we all will support clones.

clones are much better and yet cheaper.

note:

i dont care if you ban me.


Adios Amigo


support the clones without using non licensed software... Augenzwinkern try that!

no box was killed!

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Damn the clones and company-right thiefs. Owner of Clones should find software for clones because Gemini is simply for DM500. For IHAD and DMM - keep going that way. For Clones - Adios Amigos.
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what is going to be in the future is that IHAD and DM gave new tools to the world to create new viruses for all DM boxes, leagal or clones

some times u have to think before u shoot yourself in the leg
seems that DM are not strong in thinking.
wait until the new viruses came !
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Please calm down, it is time now to turn swords into plowshares again.

Like in any war, there is no winner, only loosers, so let's bury the bodies and do our mourning prayers.

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I have an original DM600 but I think what you did is immoral since people trusted you as a team and you did that to them with coold blood. I believe you should have stated clearly that your image is intended only for original boxes.

After what you have done really I cannot trust you as a team and I'll never use your image.

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I believe you should have stated clearly that your image is intended only for original boxes.


We always stated out clearly that we only support original boxes and that all our images are only for original boxes ! We are "I have a Dreambox" and not "I have a Box that maybe is compatible with a Dreambox".

@hispasat1
Believe it or not .. we are not paid by DMM, we are not DMM and we DONT WANTED to get paid by DMM.

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